Thread:Patrick.vtap/@comment-27097330-20160904202547/@comment-26347028-20160905134624

ChazmanianDevil wrote: No, at times Gondor had an excellent navy. And it was then that it conquered Umbar, considering it also had the advantage on land. The fact is there's no lore stating Umbar was weak, even if it doesn't fit with your impression of lore. Considering everyone else was weak, and the elves were considered to have some sort of naval presence, then saying that context is irrelevant is silly. If Gondor had such an excellent navy, where's this all elusive proof that it was great, and not just merely a navy?