Thread:Argali1/@comment-27097330-20160515171828/@comment-26347028-20160516213621

Patrick.vtap wrote:

By saying that, you admit that the evil powers of Middle Earth might be shown in a bit of a biased light.

(I am not saying that Sauron was not evil, but maybe some of the tribes following him were advanced and civilized.)

And, for example, the Black Numenoreans. If there were large populations of Black Numenoreans to the south, how would Gondor know of it? Sure there are more civilised pockets of Orcs. I entertain that idea myself.

Gondor would know by the fact that Black Númenorëans always end up fighting them. So, either they have suddenly forsaken their friends - highly unlikely - or they don't number much. And even then, the bigger they were the less power Umbar would have. They saw most of their fleet in that siege, and so any more power given elsewhere would detract from that total we can presume from.