Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27097330-20170101033205/@comment-26347028-20170101225703

ChazmanianDevil wrote: Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote: ChazmanianDevil wrote: Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote: ChazmanianDevil wrote: Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote: ChazmanianDevil wrote: We used to have a steady supply of new people. He's campaigning for us to have this again. And I use the term reform loosely.

I disagree.

How is the populous always a bad idea? I don't use the term "reform" loosely. Reform means reform. Besides from that, I'm not actually noticing any difference that he's made? Or, hang on, has he made a difference?

And why would that be?

Because there's a divide between staff and everyone else such that they presume bureaucracy to be horrible, when it's very much your friend. Take the recent rule change. Ratified by the people. Never endorsed by any other admins properly, and not implemented by Auraestus. To give it another name it amounts to a coup, and if it's to be enforced then I'd really laugh. It needs official recognition. It lacks it. Need I say more about popular vote? He has made a difference. He's given the wiki energy again.

He's often busy, said it himself. He's quite often absent, and is not a very active member of the community.

It was recognized by Shade and Imrahil. Indom's barely here. Why shouldn't the people control the wiki? Aurae's barely here, and whenever he is he gets swamped by people's complaints. With Shade gone much of the time that basically leaves Eureka in charge and as much respect as I have for Eureka I don't think he should have ultimate control. Imrahil and Eureka balance each other out, hence why I chose them. How? I sense a disturbance in the placebo effect.

If we go solely by RP posts, then I'm not active at all. Otherwise, Shade doesn't get involved with the rest of it - but that doesn't make him absent or hardly active.

Recognised seems to be used loosely here. Shade endorsed it while it was being proposed, but it was actually implemented without any other actions except for Imrahil's own. It was implemented solely by Imrahil, and if you lot are moaning about Eureka not being the best in charge, just think about how Imrahil basically tried to perform a coup. He's been active, friendly, and engaged.

Not just RP posts but also interacting with people on the wiki.

Yes, Shade endorsed it. What else do you want him to do? I'm pretty sure he supports the rules. And Imrahil didn't attempt a coup we all just go fed up with letting the wiki die. And that's not warranting a position such as you're suggesting…

To some extent, yes, yet, is that what is required of an admin? Do we promote people because they're active?

I would rather Imrahil actually asked if they should be implemented. He didn't. Auraestus said he was going to take the middle ground on the issue and implement a modified version of the current rules. I take that as evidence enough that there were still steps to go. I don't know where Shade stood on the issue, but he certainly didn't seem to be in the mood to rush those shite rules through. Isn't it? I think those are some of the he most important qualities in an admin.

We promote people because they're invested and there often enough to fulfill their duties. Obviously there are other requirements as well, but being active is important. They are helpful qualities, and fairly essential, yet they are very much not the most important. People are promoted upon ability to fulfil their role, yet if they don't do their role in the first place, it's much worse than being slow or inactive some of the time.