Thread:Patrick.vtap/@comment-27097330-20160904202547/@comment-26453572-20160906010812

That's just background for why it still exists.

Right now, assuming Umbar is as it was before, it is far too powerful. I'd say it should be on par with a naval fief of Gondor (and I don't mean Heart's idea). I don't think it should be much of an empire (not to say leadership can't be organized that way), but it should be rich with trade. The Black Númenórean population should be reduced, and its treatment of piracy should be different, seeing as it's supposed to be a pirate nation. I also remember having some issues with the portrayal of Umbaran ideology, but I'd rather wait to see how Pat deals with Umbar, since I don't remember all too well.