Board Thread:Middle Earth Roleplays/@comment-25597877-20160328205116/@comment-26347028-20160330223217

Aramirtheranger wrote: Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote:

Aramirtheranger wrote:

Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote:

Aramirtheranger wrote:

Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote:

Draugluin the werewolf wrote: Heart.... you do realise that not all of those who want freedom is evil or a follower of Morgoth.... In the eyes of the Valar, evil is a relative term. In a civil war there are no heroes nor villains, no right men nor wrong men, no winners! There are only losers in a civil war! The Valar = Good embodied.

Now, I'm not saying the other side are actually evil, but to them they very much are. Apart from Nienna, that is. She's always merciful, and Estë would rather heal the wounds. Morgoth was also a Valar, but I get what you're talking. So it'll be like lots of "some-are-evil-some-are-just-longing-for-freedom" people against Eru, vs loyalists. And the ones longing for freedom wouldn't be Maiar, certainly… it's all they've known to follow, apart from Melkor. The Ainulindalë is a premonition of what was to come, and there was no third group there. Only the discord and the harmony.

For reference, Valar and Maiar are titles; as Úmaiar is. If Darrius was walking into villages and killing everybody for fun, he'd be evil. But he's not, not by a longshot. In the normal Dagor Dagorath, he'd be on the good side. Gandalf was Lawful Good. Sauron was Chaotic Evil. Darrius was Chaotic Good, or Lawful Evil in his first Age as an Umaiar.

Evil individuals among Hobbits supposedly don't exist. Good individuals supposedly don't exist among Umaiar. But there are a few bad apples among Hobbits. Who's to say there can't be one somewhat good Umaiar? Good and evil among Maiar do not mix, whatsoever. As I've said, you've turned or you haven't. So, you either are for or against. And if you're against, you clearly didn't understand that Eru made you, and that he placed the Valar to protect the world. Because, if you don't side with your creator's guardians, then you side against. You either crave power or you stick with the Powers. There is no "oh but I don't want power, I want freedom". Freedom from what? Tyranny? You want to have no-one above you, and that's the truth of it if you think that way. And as such, you're against.

The Valar would fight against you in the Dagor Dagorath for your actions, so it doesn't matter who you want to pick - Melkor or your certain doom. And there's no such thing as Lawful Evil, among Umaiar. They've simply realised that, since they cannot make anything for themselves they have to corrupt it to follow them - or it won't. And thus, all morals were flung out of the window from the word go. There's no getting around it.

And, lastly, there is a lot of difference between Angelic Spirits that form the Powers that Be, and some little folk who wander around and keep to themselves.