Thread:Argali1/@comment-26210095-20160901215355/@comment-26453572-20160903191329

Dark dwarves 2 wrote: The Lord of Minas Morgul wrote: Umbar isn't necessarily broken down (until the late Third Age), but they aren't a great naval superpower. The land Mevans provided them in the mod seems reasonable enough for that faction. Most of the Black Númenóreans would have died off by the late Third Age. Umbar is a pirate city mostly made of Haradrim, not a great and vast empire of Black Númenóreans with massive ships left uncontested by the rest of the world.

But I do think you should still work something out with Auraestus for that coastal land. Mevans recently reduced the size of the rocky coast, and replaced most of it with the two savannah biomes. That should serve as an opportunity to show the influence Umbar would have as pirates. I do agree with most of this. But I do think for pat's sake that umbar would still have some of the best/ most experienced sailors. Not the huge colonial empire he wants but enough to have a few colonies and keep gondor away.

That's fine by me.