Thread:Patrick.vtap/@comment-27097330-20160904202547/@comment-26535281-20160905024850

The Lord of Minas Morgul wrote: Umbar was in bad condition by the time the War of the Ring came around, and I doubt said war helped anything for Umbar. ^

Honestly I think umbar just needs to be streamlined. It doesn't fit in with newer factions.

Honestly most factions on the wiki need to be streamlined and nerfed.

Although I do still believe that umbar should still be a semi-naval power just to keep it alive in RP's nothing major.