Thread:Argali1/@comment-26210095-20160901215355/@comment-26184570-20160903140600

The Indomitable wrote: How about Umbar fell, but several remnants survived. Perhaps, like the Nicaean Empire, Empire of Trebizond, and Despotate of Epirus. They lived on, while the realm they were founded by became little more than a shallow, worthless husk ruled by men not of it. However, they thrived, rather than fell. Feeding off the primitive societies around them.

It would provide more lore, and in RPs be an incentive for the 'reclamation' of Umbar. Exactly! That's what I was saying all along, that Umbar became a worthless pirate cove, while Mînbar, which was originally an Umbaran colony became independant and proud, preserving the might and glory that Umbar originally had!