Thread:Patrick.vtap/@comment-27097330-20170113022804/@comment-26347028-20170114000459

Patrick.vtap wrote: Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote:

Patrick.vtap wrote:

Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote:

Patrick.vtap wrote:

Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote:

Patrick.vtap wrote:

Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote:

Patrick.vtap wrote:

Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote: [Major spoilers but I can't let Patrick's Stannis love stand]

Stannis is very much not the Mannis. Daenerys' ideology is idealistic, but hell, at least she doesn't blindly charge and suggest "the Lord will guide us" or [SPOILER] burn her child. She also, I'll point out, has feeling, and compassion. I don't care how much you want to quote Cersei on that, but we all know that we don't need a repeat of Joffrey.

(Kinvara said the same thing as Mellisandre. They're probably both wrong.

Daenerys is no more the Lord's Chosen than Stannis was, but at least Brienne hasn't visited her yet to "do her duty". )

[Spoilers are over]

If you want me to move this elsewhere I can. MAJOR SPOILERS[I was more joking about the 'Mannis' part. I think Stannis wouldn't be the best King, but is one of the best of all the candidates. They're all very bad. We need another Jaehaerys the Concillator IMO]

You say she doesn't say 'the Lord will guide us' or 'burn her child'

Well, I do not watch the shows, but in the book he definitely does not burn Shireen. I am quickly deveoping a vehment hate of the show for simplifying the plot. Humerous image.

Daenerys is a good leader, but in my opinion, a terrible ruler. She's great at 'dragons' and 'fire-and-blood-ing' the Ghiscari, but proves ultimately a terrible ruler who cannot govern Slaver's Bay. She should have turned West instead of East, joined with Aegon in a tactical alliance and marriage, and landed in Westeros with Dragons, the Unsullied, and the Golden Company at her back. Instead, she turns East and ends up neck-deep in shit. She refuses to be a hard-liner 'kill the serving-children that we collected from the Masters' make them fear retaliation, but also ends up majorly angering them later. She doesn't think about the consequences of her actions. She left Astapor in a terrible state, severely ruined things in Mereen. She has this complex where she needs to help the 'common people', pragmatism be damned. She's an entitled teenager who sees herself as the savior of Slaver's Bay and Westeros. She marries Daario Naharis, who is obviously only in it for the power/wealth attached to it. I can go on, and on. Idealism is good, but she's waaay too idealistic for her own good, and unrealistic. She's a terrible ruler, unfit to be queen, and would be dead so many time by now except she has magical plot-armor.

Sure, Stannis isn't the best choice, but Stannis or Aegon is the best we have. Not a young teenager from the east who by happenstance aquired Dragons and has little political experience, has failed for the most part, has a god complex, and her only right to the iron throne is by blood connection to her father, an insane king. Yeah, no. Still Major SpoilersIf you haven't seen the show, that's a real problem.

He burns Shireen, fails to take Winterfell, and gets utterly slaughtered. It ends with Brianne being told to "do her duty" and him dying.

I'd agree that in the books Daenerys is rather soft, but bloody hell she kinda grew on me in the show. Some of her scenes really are epic albeit having to be told not to "burn them all".

I'm with Varys on this topic, though, again, I'm mainly going from the show. We know a fraction of what the show says in the books, to be honest. Ah, okay. I suppose there's some book/show divergence there. Maybe she's less a Mary Sue in the show

Well, I can understand where you're coming from if that's what happens in the show.

Sure.

Okay, makes sense. Yeah, she unites the Dothraki in the show, then repels a whole armada of ships - before using the captured ships to sail to Westeros.

You have to admit that what she did in Astapor was kinda impressive, though. well then

Impressive, yes. It could have been done a lot smarter. It was mostly due to the dragons. Stannis' attack on Blackwater Bay could've been a million times smarter. Agreed. I do agree though that Daario was right. She isn't a Queen, she's a conqueror. She's an incredibly sucessful leader, but needs to work on ruling if she feasibly wants to conquer Westeros. It's not so much stability, really, as that can be achieved through the fact that almost all of the major houses are either on her side, or split in civil war.

Stark, Tully, Arryn, Tyrell, Martell, Greyjoy

Lannister and Greyjoy are currently "ruling", so personally I don't see the point in saying she can't do it.