Thread:Auraestus/@comment-26535281-20160321004329/@comment-26347028-20160321214939

Patrick.vtap wrote: Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote: Patrick.vtap wrote: I don't have the Meneltarma anymore, that was just stupid tbh

Heart. Umbar was a naval power. DA was good, yeah, but no way a feifdom can crush an empire. Umbar had a navy. Compared to everyone else, that counted as having power. I've said this many times before, and Umbar wasn't an empire. Dol Amroth could easily crush Umbar's army. Umbar was. My Umbar was, and is is the Umbar I am using and will always use. No, they couldn't really. Not easily at any rate, and Umbar has strong allies. Heart, please stop. You use the word 'my' as if it's separated from lore. Perhaps there's a reason behind this. And yes, a group of cities and towns could easily beat a single city that focuses what little power it has on shipbuilding. And Umbar has what allies? Clan Kor? Fairly easily beaten back, and if we're bringing allies into this; Gondor.