Thread:Argali1/@comment-26210095-20160901215355/@comment-26184570-20160902002635

It can. What I'm saying is that it didn't become anything more than "Umbar colony #_" until after all of that history took place. It can preserve all of the great Umbar'ness that went away when Umbar declined. Mînbar can be the greatness that Umbar lost. Mînbar can be Umbar preserved.