Thread:Patrick.vtap/@comment-26295802-20160305203536/@comment-26210095-20160305220348

1. Belegond?

2. You could. I also like the idea of them having a personal rivalry, as they are both the forefront military minds of Gondor and Umbar

3. It wasnt in the LOTR Cannon Lore, but it was the one where the Gondorians were pushed out of Harondor and past the River Poros. They underestimated the joint Umbar/Harad/Clan Kor force, led by a mysterious young ambitious general. The Gondorians were routed and massacred, due to Veantur's miltiary expertise. They were soon in retreat, and fled past the Poros. This is where the name of Veantur Elerion first became known to Gondor, and secured their hate of Umbar for ever