Thread:Argali1/@comment-26184570-20160125144003/@comment-27097330-20160126022627

Argali1 wrote: ChazmanianDevil wrote:

High Prince Imrahil wrote:

Argali1 wrote: "Violent Culture?" The Middle East was incredibly stable, and was a beautiful example for the world, and then the Crusades fucked everything up! Wow. ..

A: the crusades were a thousand years ago and

B: I will openly debate the misassumption that the Muslims were wonderful peace-loving people that the crusaders crushed for no reason A: The Roman Empire was longer than that and look at the effect it still has.

B: They weren't at all peace-loving fun people, but the crusaders were ridiculously cruel to them. They were certainely better than Europe at the time. A true story I think you'll find interesting...

During the crusades a certain King Fredirick II came to the throne. People called him "Stupor Mundi." The wonder of the world. His ideas were so insanely revolutionary for the time, they often got people mad at him. Thou he was a devout Catholic, this included the pope. The pope had gotten used to controlling previous kings like Barbarossa and Charlemagne. Frederick insulted him, and worse Federick wanted to consort with the Muslims. One day, the pope demanded Frederick go on a crusade. Many bloody crusades has already raged, and none had permanently succeeded. Frederick thought it a waste of time, but he decided to lay along with it. But he refused to go on a senseless violent spree. So what did he do? He sat down with the Muslim who ruled the area containing Jerusalem and they came to an agreement. Christians would be allowed pilgrimage to the land. All it took was a talk. The world was shocked. But the Jerusalem bishop was mad. No one had consulted him. So he spread lies to the pope that Fredirick had become a Muslim. The pope already hated him, and the lies made sense to him, so Fredirick was called back, and the deal that could have united the world was broken. Fredirick died alone and depressed, surrounded by people who didn't understand him, and labeled "Anti-Christ" by his enemies.