Thread:Aramirtheranger/@comment-27097330-20160729224639/@comment-26347028-20160814202542

ChazmanianDevil wrote: Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote: ChazmanianDevil wrote: I'm not saying it's necessarily a coverup, only that it's possible the elves were mistaken. And besides, the Silmarillion was very much an unfinished work. Tolkien said he was unhappy with many parts of his lore, one of which was the "changing of the world" at the downfall of Numenor. Unhappy, but didn't provide an alternative. Also, seeing how the Elves seemed to have some contact with the Valar, and it would be almost impossible for people to misdocument things like how men cannot travel the Straight Path and come to a different place entirely. Not sure what you mean by that bold part.

And is it ever stated the elves have actual contact with the Valar? Certainly the Nolodr didn't in the first age, and I'm not sure that changed later on.

Edit: Wait, figured out what you meant. And he meant to revisit the problem later, but never got around to it. Seeing how no alternative was provided, as you yourself say, this remains the one in lore. Perhaps it could have been changed, but it wasn't. As for the thing on contact with the Valar - how did the Noldor know they were no longer exiles? People rarely left Valinor except for fairly extreme reasons - bringing the first Elves over, saving the Noldor from obliteration, and so on. Telling the Noldor that they're no long exiles doesn't actually seem that high on the list, compared to their other concerns. But the message got across.