Thread:Auraestus/@comment-26535281-20160321004329/@comment-26347028-20160321215808

Patrick.vtap wrote: Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali wrote: Patrick.vtap wrote: A single city? You mean : a naval empire. Umbar is a city. Evidence in lore for anything more? Evidence in lore for Umbar being puny? They were beaten by Gondor a few times, which only rarely even had a navy. Didn't, quite often - the only reason Umbar could beat them.